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UNITED STATES
SECURITIES AND EXCHANGE COMMISSION
Washington, D.C. 20549
FORM 8-K
CURRENT REPORT
Pursuant to Section 13 or 15(d) of the Securities and Exchange Act of 1934
Date of Report (Date of earliest event reported): October 29, 2009
CBIZ, INC.
(Exact name of registrant as specified in its charter)
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Delaware
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1-32961
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22-2769024 |
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(State or other jurisdiction
of incorporation)
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(Commission
File Number)
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6050 Oak Tree Boulevard, South, Suite 500 |
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Cleveland, Ohio
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44131 |
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(Address of principal executive offices)
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216-447-9000
(Registrants telephone number, including area code)
Check the appropriate box below if the Form 8-K filing is intended to simultaneously satisfy the
filing obligation of the registrant under any of the following provisions:
o Written communications pursuant to Rule 425 under the Securities Act (17 CFR 230.425)
o Soliciting material pursuant to Rule 14a-12 under the Exchange Act (17 CFR 240.14a-12)
o Pre-commencement communications pursuant to Rule 14d-2(b) under the Exchange Act (17
CFR 240.14d-2(b))
o Pre-commencement communications pursuant to Rule 13e-4(c) under the Exchange Act (17
CFR 240.13e-4(c))
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Item 2.02 Results of Operations and Financial Condition.
On October 29, 2009, CBIZ, Inc. (the Company) issued a press release announcing its
financial results for the three and nine month periods ended September 30, 2009. A copy of the
press release is furnished herewith as Exhibit 99.1. A transcript of CBIZs earnings conference
call held on October 29, 2009 is furnished herewith as Exhibit 99.2. The exhibits contain, and may
implicate, forward-looking statements regarding the Company and include cautionary statements
identifying important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those
anticipated.
Item 9.01 Financial Statements and Exhibits.
(d) Exhibits.
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99.1 |
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Press Release of CBIZ, Inc. dated October 29, 2009, announcing its financial
results for the three and nine month periods ended September 30, 2009. |
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99.2 |
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Transcript of earnings conference call held on October 29, 2009, discussing
CBIZs financial results for the three and nine month periods ended
September 30, 2009. |
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SIGNATURES
Pursuant to the requirements of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934, the registrant has duly
caused this report to be signed on its behalf by the undersigned hereunto duly authorized.
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November 4, 2009 |
CBIZ, INC.
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By: |
/s/ Ware H. Grove
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Name: |
Ware H. Grove |
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Title: |
Chief Financial Officer |
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Exhibit 99.1
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FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
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CONTACT:
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Ware Grove |
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Chief Financial Officer |
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-or- |
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Lori Novickis |
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Director, Corporate Relations |
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CBIZ, Inc. |
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Cleveland, Ohio |
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(216) 447-9000 |
CBIZ REPORTS 2009 THIRD-QUARTER AND NINE-MONTH RESULTS
THIRD-QUARTER REVENUE GROWS 6.5%; EPS FROM CONTINUING OPERATIONS UP 14.3%
CASH EPS INCREASES 31.3%
Cleveland, Ohio (October 29, 2009)CBIZ, Inc. (NYSE: CBZ) today announced results for the third
quarter ended September 30, 2009.
CBIZ reported revenue of $179.0 million for the third quarter ended September 30, 2009, an increase
of 6.5% over the $168.2 million reported for the third quarter of 2008. Revenue from newly
acquired operations, net of divestitures, contributed $22.7 million or 13.5% to revenue growth in
the third quarter compared with the same period a year ago. Same-unit revenue declined by 7.0%, or
$11.8 million. CBIZ reported income from continuing operations for the quarter of $5.1 million, or
$0.08 per diluted share, compared with $4.3 million, or $0.07 per diluted share in the third
quarter of 2008.
For the nine-month period ended September 30, 2009, CBIZ reported revenue of $588.3 million, an
increase of 8.8%, or $47.6 million over the $540.7 million reported for the comparable nine-month
period a year ago. Same-unit revenue decreased by 4.6%, or $24.6 million, for the first nine
months of 2009 compared to the same period a year ago. Acquisitions, net of divestitures,
contributed $72.1 million to revenue growth for the first nine months of 2009. Net income from
continuing operations was $29.8 million for the first nine months of 2009, or $0.48 per diluted
share, compared with $28.0 million for the first nine months of 2008, or $0.45 per diluted share.
During the third quarter of 2009, the Company repurchased 890 thousand shares of its common stock
at a cost of approximately $6.0 million and for the year to date, the Company has repurchased
approximately 1.7 million shares at a cost of approximately $12.7 million. The outstanding balance
of the Companys unsecured bank line of credit at September 30, 2009, was $115.7 million compared
with a balance of $125.0 million at December 31, 2008.
The Company is reporting Cash EPS, a non-GAAP measure designed to more clearly illustrate the
impact of certain non-cash charges to income from continuing operations. For the quarter ended
September 30, 2009, Cash EPS was $0.21 per diluted share compared with $0.16 per diluted share for
the same quarter a year ago, an increase of 31.3%. For the nine-month period ended September 30,
2009, Cash EPS was $0.83 per
diluted share compared with $0.71 for the comparable nine-month period a year ago, an increase of
16.9%. A schedule which reconciles Cash EPS with GAAP EPS is attached.
We are happy to report continued growth in revenue and in earnings throughout 2009. The
acquisitions we made in 2008 are performing well and we are pleased to have closed two additional
acquisitions to date in 2009, stated Steven L. Gerard, Chairman and CEO. We continue to generate
strong positive cash flow in 2009, and given the challenges presented by economic conditions, we
are continuing to carefully manage expenses. For the full year in 2009, we expect to report
earnings per share from continuing operations of approximately $0.54 to $0.55, which is an increase
of approximately 8% to 10% compared with 2008, concluded Mr. Gerard.
CBIZ will host a conference call later this morning to discuss its results. The call will be
webcast in a listen-only mode over the Internet for the media and the public, and can be accessed
at www.cbiz.com. Shareholders and analysts wishing to participate in the conference call may dial
1-888-862-6557 several minutes before 11:00 a.m. (ET). If you are dialing from outside the United
States, dial 1-630-691-2748. A replay of the call will be available starting at 1:00 p.m. (ET)
October 29 through midnight (ET), November 3, 2009. The dial-in number for the replay is
1-877-213-9653. If you are listening from outside the United States, dial 1-630-652-3041. The
access code for the replay is 25614953. A replay of the webcast will also be available on the
Companys web site at www.cbiz.com.
CBIZ, Inc. provides professional business services that help clients better manage their finances,
employees and technology. As one of the largest benefits specialists and one of the largest
accounting, valuation and medical practice management companies in the United States, CBIZ provides
its clients with financial services including accounting and tax, internal audit, merger and
acquisition advisory, and valuation. Employee services include group benefits, property and
casualty insurance, payroll, HR consulting and wealth management. CBIZ also provides information
technology, hardware and software solutions, healthcare consulting and medical practice management.
These services are provided through more than 140 Company offices in 36 states.
Forward-looking statements in this release are made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions of the
Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Such forward-looking statements are subject to
certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those
projected. Such risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, the Companys ability to
adequately manage its growth; the Companys dependence on the current trend of outsourcing business
services; the Companys dependence on the services of its CEO and other key employees; competitive
pricing pressures; general business and economic conditions; and changes in governmental regulation
and tax laws affecting its insurance business or its business services operations. A more detailed
description of such risks and uncertainties may be found in the Companys filings with the
Securities and Exchange Commission.
For further information regarding CBIZ, call our Investor Relations Office at (216) 447-9000 or
visit our web site at www.cbiz.com.
6050 Oak Tree Boulevard, South Suite 500 Cleveland, OH 44131 Phone (216) 447-9000
Fax (216) 447-9007
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CBIZ, INC.
FINANCIAL HIGHLIGHTS (UNAUDITED)
THREE MONTHS ENDED SEPTEMBER 30, 2009 AND 2008
(In thousands, except percentages and per share data)
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THREE MONTHS ENDED |
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SEPTEMBER 30, |
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2009 |
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2008 (1) |
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Revenue |
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179,023 |
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100.0 |
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168,159 |
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100.0 |
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Operating expenses |
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163,783 |
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91.5 |
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148,721 |
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88.4 |
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Gross margin |
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15,240 |
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19,438 |
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Corporate general and administrative expenses |
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8,491 |
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4.7 |
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7,270 |
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4.3 |
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Operating income |
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6,749 |
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12,168 |
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Other income (expense): |
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Interest expense |
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(3,181 |
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-1.8 |
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(2,702 |
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-1.6 |
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Gain on sale of operations, net |
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910 |
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229 |
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Other income (expense), net (2) |
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3,144 |
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-1.8 |
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Total other income (expense), net |
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873 |
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(5,491 |
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Income from continuing operations before income tax expense |
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7,622 |
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6,677 |
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Income tax expense |
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2,542 |
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2,348 |
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Income from continuing operations |
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5,080 |
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4,329 |
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Gain on disposal of discontinued businesses, net of tax |
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27 |
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132 |
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Net income |
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5,103 |
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4,405 |
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2.6 |
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Diluted earnings per share: |
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Continuing operations |
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0.08 |
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0.07 |
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Discontinued operations |
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Net income |
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$ |
0.08 |
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0.07 |
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Diluted weighted average common shares outstanding |
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61,712 |
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61,772 |
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Other data from continuing operations: |
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EBIT (3) |
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9,893 |
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$ |
9,150 |
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EBITDA (3) |
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14,997 |
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$ |
12,881 |
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Certain amounts in the 2008 financial data have been reclassified to conform to the current
year presentation and revised to reflect the retroactive application of FASB ASC Topic 470.20 Debt
with Conversion and Other Options. |
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Includes a net gain of $2,890 and a net loss of $1,898 for the three months ended September 30,
2009 and 2008, respectively, attributable to assets held in the Companys deferred compensation
plan. These net gains and losses do not impact income from continuing operations before income tax
expense as they are directly offset by compensation adjustments to the Plan participants.
Compensation is included in operating expenses and corporate general and administrative
expenses. |
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EBIT represents income from continuing operations before income taxes, interest expense, and
gain on sale of divested operations. EBITDA represents EBIT before depreciation and amortization
expense of $5,104 and $3,731 for the three months ended September 30, 2009 and 2008, respectively.
The Company has included EBIT and EBITDA data because such data is commonly used as a performance
measure by analysts and investors and as a measure of the Companys ability to service debt. EBIT
and EBITDA should not be regarded as an alternative or replacement to any measurement of
performance under generally accepted accounting principles. |
6050 Oak Tree Boulevard, South Suite 500 Cleveland, OH 44131 Phone (216) 447-9000 Fax (216) 447-9007
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CBIZ, INC.
FINANCIAL HIGHLIGHTS (UNAUDITED)
NINE MONTHS ENDED SEPTEMBER 30, 2009 AND 2008
(In thousands, except percentages and per share data)
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NINE MONTHS ENDED |
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SEPTEMBER 30, |
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2009 |
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2008 (1) |
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Revenue |
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$ |
588,272 |
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100.0 |
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$ |
540,713 |
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100.0 |
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Operating expenses |
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511,723 |
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87.0 |
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461,402 |
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85.3 |
% |
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Gross margin |
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76,549 |
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13.0 |
% |
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79,311 |
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14.7 |
% |
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Corporate general and administrative expenses |
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23,887 |
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4.1 |
% |
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22,313 |
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4.2 |
% |
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Operating income |
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52,662 |
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8.9 |
% |
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56,998 |
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10.5 |
% |
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Other income (expense): |
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Interest expense |
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(10,221 |
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-1.7 |
% |
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(8,044 |
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-1.5 |
% |
Gain on sale of operations, net |
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1,004 |
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0.2 |
% |
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470 |
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0.1 |
% |
Other income (expense), net (2) |
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5,449 |
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0.9 |
% |
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(4,030 |
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-0.7 |
% |
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Total other expense, net |
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(3,768 |
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-0.6 |
% |
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(11,604 |
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-2.1 |
% |
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Income from continuing operations before income tax expense |
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48,894 |
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8.3 |
% |
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45,394 |
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8.4 |
% |
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Income tax expense |
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19,123 |
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17,441 |
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Income from continuing operations |
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29,771 |
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5.1 |
% |
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27,953 |
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5.2 |
% |
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Income (loss) from operations of discontinued businesses, net of tax |
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131 |
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(250 |
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Gain (loss) on disposal of discontinued businesses, net of tax |
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178 |
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(308 |
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Net income |
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$ |
30,080 |
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5.1 |
% |
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$ |
27,395 |
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5.1 |
% |
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Diluted earnings (loss) per share: |
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Continuing operations |
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$ |
0.48 |
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$ |
0.45 |
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Discontinued operations |
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0.01 |
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(0.01 |
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Net income |
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$ |
0.49 |
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$ |
0.44 |
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Diluted weighted average common shares outstanding |
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61,897 |
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62,801 |
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|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Other data from continuing operations: |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
EBIT (3) |
|
$ |
58,111 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
$ |
52,968 |
|
|
|
|
|
EBITDA (3) |
|
$ |
73,370 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
$ |
64,314 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(1) |
|
Certain amounts in the 2008 financial data have been reclassified to conform to the current
year presentation and revised to reflect the retroactive application of FASB ASC Topic 470.20 Debt
with Conversion and Other Options. |
|
(2) |
|
Includes net gain of $4,539 and a net loss of $3,817 for the nine months ended September 30,
2009 and 2008, respectively, attributable to assets held in the Companys deferred compensation
plan. These net gains and losses do not impact income from continuing operations before income tax
expense as they are directly offset by compensation adjustments to the Plan participants.
Compensation is included in operating expenses and corporate general and administrative
expenses. |
|
(3) |
|
EBIT represents income from continuing operations before income taxes, interest expense, and
gain on sale of divested operations. EBITDA represents EBIT before depreciation and amortization
expense of $15,259 and $11,346 for the nine months ended September 30, 2009 and 2008, respectively.
The Company has included EBIT and EBITDA data because such data is commonly used as a performance
measure by analysts and investors and as a measure of the Companys ability to service debt. EBIT
and EBITDA should not be regarded as an alternative or replacement to any measurement of
performance under generally accepted accounting principles. |
6050 Oak Tree Boulevard, South Suite 500 Cleveland, OH 44131 Phone (216) 447-9000 Fax (216) 447-9007
Page 4 of 6
CBIZ, INC.
FINANCIAL HIGHLIGHTS (UNAUDITED)
(In thousands, except per share data)
SELECT SEGMENT DATA
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|
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|
|
|
THREE MONTHS ENDED |
|
|
NINE MONTHS ENDED |
|
|
|
SEPTEMBER 30, |
|
|
SEPTEMBER 30, |
|
|
|
2009 |
|
|
2008 (1) |
|
|
2009 |
|
|
2008 (1) |
|
Revenue |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Financial Services |
|
$ |
86,854 |
|
|
$ |
70,404 |
|
|
$ |
305,685 |
|
|
$ |
244,552 |
|
Employee Services |
|
|
41,385 |
|
|
|
44,513 |
|
|
|
129,363 |
|
|
|
139,075 |
|
Medical Management Professionals |
|
|
40,724 |
|
|
|
41,345 |
|
|
|
122,478 |
|
|
|
124,010 |
|
National Practices |
|
|
10,060 |
|
|
|
11,897 |
|
|
|
30,746 |
|
|
|
33,076 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Total |
|
$ |
179,023 |
|
|
$ |
168,159 |
|
|
$ |
588,272 |
|
|
$ |
540,713 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Gross Margin |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Financial Services |
|
$ |
7,966 |
|
|
$ |
6,168 |
|
|
$ |
50,223 |
|
|
$ |
42,696 |
|
Employee Services |
|
|
6,317 |
|
|
|
7,538 |
|
|
|
21,511 |
|
|
|
24,353 |
|
Medical Management Professionals |
|
|
5,583 |
|
|
|
5,561 |
|
|
|
16,898 |
|
|
|
15,712 |
|
National Practices |
|
|
305 |
|
|
|
924 |
|
|
|
816 |
|
|
|
1,832 |
|
Operating expenses unallocated (2) |
|
|
(4,931 |
) |
|
|
(753 |
) |
|
|
(12,899 |
) |
|
|
(5,282 |
) |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Total |
|
$ |
15,240 |
|
|
$ |
19,438 |
|
|
$ |
76,549 |
|
|
$ |
79,311 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(1) |
|
Certain amounts in the 2008 financial data have been reclassified to conform to the current
year presentation. |
|
(2) |
|
Represents operating expenses not directly allocated to individual businesses, including stock
based compensation, consolidation and integration charges and certain advertising expenses. Unallocated operating expenses also include
a net gain of $2,529 and a net loss of $1,611 for the three months ended September 30, 2009 and
2008, respectively, and a net gain of $3,977 and a net loss of $3,226 for the nine months ended
September 30, 2009 and 2008, respectively, attributable to assets held in the Companys deferred
compensation plan. Eliminating the impact of the gain or loss attributable to the deferred
compensation plan would result in unallocated operating expenses of $2,402 and $2,364 for the
three months ended September 30, 2009 and 2008, respectively, and $8,922 and $8,508 for the nine
months ended September 30, 2009 and 2008, respectively. |
CASH EARNINGS AND PER SHARE DATA
Reconciliation of Income from Continuing Operations to Cash Earnings from Continuing Operations (3)
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
THREE MONTHS ENDED SEPTEMBER 30, |
|
|
|
2009 |
|
|
Per Share |
|
|
2008 |
|
|
Per Share |
|
Income from Continuing Operations |
|
$ |
5,080 |
|
|
$ |
0.08 |
|
|
$ |
4,329 |
|
|
$ |
0.07 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Selected non-cash items: |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Depreciation and amortization |
|
|
5,104 |
|
|
|
0.09 |
|
|
|
3,731 |
|
|
|
0.06 |
|
Non-cash interest on convertible note |
|
|
1,003 |
|
|
|
0.02 |
|
|
|
929 |
|
|
|
0.01 |
|
Stock based compensation |
|
|
1,285 |
|
|
|
0.02 |
|
|
|
958 |
|
|
|
0.02 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Non-cash items |
|
|
7,392 |
|
|
|
0.13 |
|
|
|
5,618 |
|
|
|
0.09 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Cash earnings - Continuing Operations |
|
$ |
12,472 |
|
|
$ |
0.21 |
|
|
$ |
9,947 |
|
|
$ |
0.16 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
NINE MONTHS ENDED SEPTEMBER 30, |
|
|
|
2009 |
|
|
Per Share |
|
|
2008 |
|
|
Per Share |
|
Income from Continuing Operations |
|
$ |
29,771 |
|
|
$ |
0.48 |
|
|
$ |
27,953 |
|
|
$ |
0.45 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Selected non-cash items: |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Depreciation and amortization |
|
|
15,259 |
|
|
|
0.25 |
|
|
|
11,346 |
|
|
|
0.18 |
|
Non-cash interest on convertible note |
|
|
2,946 |
|
|
|
0.05 |
|
|
|
2,729 |
|
|
|
0.04 |
|
Stock based compensation |
|
|
3,465 |
|
|
|
0.05 |
|
|
|
2,783 |
|
|
|
0.04 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Non-cash items |
|
|
21,670 |
|
|
|
0.35 |
|
|
|
16,858 |
|
|
|
0.26 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Cash earnings - Continuing Operations |
|
$ |
51,441 |
|
|
$ |
0.83 |
|
|
$ |
44,811 |
|
|
$ |
0.71 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(3) |
|
The Company believes cash earnings and cash earnings per diluted share (non-GAAP measures)
more clearly illustrate the impact of certain non-cash charges to income from continuing operations and are a useful measure for the
Company and its analysts. Cash earnings is defined as income from continuing operations excluding
depreciation and amortization, non-cash interest expense and non-cash stock based compensation
expense. Cash earnings per diluted share is calculated by dividing cash earnings by the number of
weighted average diluted common shares outstanding for the period indicated. Cash earnings and
cash earnings per diluted share should not be regarded as a replacement or alternative of
performance under generally accepted accounting principles. |
6050 Oak
Tree Boulevard, South Suite 500 Cleveland, OH 44131
Phone (216) 447-9000 Fax (216) 447-9007
Page 5 of 6
CBIZ, INC.
FINANCIAL HIGHLIGHTS (UNAUDITED)
(In thousands, except percentages and ratios)
SELECT BALANCE SHEET DATA AND RATIOS
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
SEPTEMBER 30, |
|
|
DECEMBER 31, |
|
|
|
2009 |
|
|
2008 (1) |
|
Cash and cash equivalents |
|
$ |
3,589 |
|
|
$ |
9,672 |
|
Restricted cash |
|
$ |
13,983 |
|
|
$ |
15,786 |
|
Accounts receivable, net |
|
$ |
148,945 |
|
|
$ |
129,164 |
|
Current assets before funds held for clients |
|
$ |
186,795 |
|
|
$ |
178,565 |
|
Funds held for clients - current and non-current |
|
$ |
70,581 |
|
|
$ |
113,121 |
|
Goodwill and other intangible assets, net |
|
$ |
365,593 |
|
|
$ |
350,216 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Total assets |
|
$ |
681,812 |
|
|
$ |
698,592 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Current liabilities before client fund obligations |
|
$ |
88,344 |
|
|
$ |
90,193 |
|
Client fund obligations |
|
$ |
73,523 |
|
|
$ |
116,638 |
|
Convertible notes |
|
$ |
92,832 |
|
|
$ |
89,887 |
|
Bank debt |
|
$ |
115,700 |
|
|
$ |
125,000 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Total liabilities |
|
$ |
416,121 |
|
|
$ |
456,993 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Treasury stock |
|
$ |
(269,396 |
) |
|
$ |
(256,295 |
) |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Total stockholders equity |
|
$ |
265,691 |
|
|
$ |
241,599 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Debt to equity (2) |
|
|
78.5 |
% |
|
|
88.9 |
% |
Days sales outstanding (DSO) - continuing operations (3) |
|
|
70 |
|
|
|
67 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Shares outstanding |
|
|
61,644 |
|
|
|
62,472 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Basic weighted average common shares outstanding |
|
|
61,302 |
|
|
|
61,839 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
Diluted weighted average common shares outstanding |
|
|
61,897 |
|
|
|
62,572 |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
(1) |
|
Certain amounts in the 2008 financial data have been reclassified to conform to the current
year presentation and revised to reflect the
retroactive application of FASB ASC Topic 470.20 Debt with Conversion and Other Options. |
|
(2) |
|
Ratio is convertible notes and bank debt divided by total stockholders equity. |
|
(3) |
|
DSO is provided for continuing operations and represents accounts receivable (before the allowance for doubtful accounts) and unbilled revenue
(net of realization adjustments) at the end of the period, divided by trailing twelve month daily
revenue. The calculation of DSO for the nine
months ended September 30, 2009 and the twelve months ended December 31, 2008 excludes accounts
receivable, unbilled revenue and daily
revenue for the two businesses that were acquired on December 31, 2008. The Company has included
DSO data because such data is
commonly used as a performance measure by analysts and investors and as a measure of the Companys
ability to collect on receivables in
a timely manner. DSO should not be regarded as an alternative or replacement to any measurement of
performance under generally accepted
accounting principles. DSO at September 30, 2008 was 71 days. |
6050 Oak
Tree Boulevard, South Suite 500 Cleveland, OH 44131
Phone (216) 447-9000 Fax (216) 447-9007
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exv99w2
Exhibit 99.2
CORPORATE PARTICIPANTS
Steven Gerard
CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
Ware Grove
CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
CONFERENCE CALL PARTICIPANTS
Josh Vogel
Sidoti & Company Analyst
Bill Sutherland
Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Jim MacDonald
First Analysis Analyst
Ted Hillenmeyer
Northstar Partners Analyst
PRESENTATION
Operator
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the CBIZ Third Quarter 2009 Results
Conference Call. At this time all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later we will conduct a
question and answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded. Ill now turn the
call over to Mr. Steven Gerard. Mr. Gerard you may begin.
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
Thank you John, and good morning everyone. Thank you for calling in to CBIZs third quarter
conference call. Before I begin my comments I would like to remind you of a few things. As with all
our conference calls, this call is intended to answer the questions of our shareholders and
analysts. If there are media representatives on the call, you are welcome to listen in, however, I
ask that if you have questions you hold them until after the call and well be happy to address
them at that time. This call is also being webcast and you can access the call over our website
www.cbiz.com.
You should all have received a copy of the press release, which we issued this morning. If you did
not, you can access it on our website or you can call our corporate office for a copy. Finally,
please remember that during the course of the call we may make forward-looking statements, these
statements represent managements intentions, hopes, beliefs, expectations and predictions of the
future. Actual results can and sometimes do differ materially from those projected in
forward-looking statements. Additional information concerning the factors that could cause actual
results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements, they are contained in
our SEC filings Form 10-K and press releases.
Joining me on the call this morning is Ware Grove, our Chief Financial Officer. Prior to the
opening, this morning we were pleased to announce our third quarter and nine-month results in what
is traditionally our slowest quarter and what is clearly the most challenging in the economic
environment we have operated in. Nevertheless, we were able to post growth in both revenue earnings
and earnings per share for the three months and the six months, and we are pleased with those
results.
What Ill do now is turn this over to Ware to give you some of the details and then Ill return at
the end to talk about the environment that we find ourselves operating in.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Good morning, thank you Steve. As is our normal practice I want to take a few minutes and
review the highlights of the numbers we released this morning for the third quarter and nine-month
results for 2009. Now as I have commented previously throughout this year, please bear in mind that
the results for 2008 have been restated to reflect the impact of the new accounting treatment that
was adopted in January of 2009, to change the manner of recording interest expense on the
convertible notes. As a result of implementing those accounting changes we are reporting interest
at the rate of 7.8%, which is more than the coupon rate of 3.125%. So there is a non-cash charge in
order to reflect the total interest expenses at 7.8%.
The non-cash interest expense charge is outlined as a component in our cash earnings per share
calculation, which is included in our earnings release. We have previously commented that the
impact of this change in accounting is $0.01 per share each quarter as we restate each quarter in
2008. Please
1
note that this impact is expected to result in a restated $0.50 per share for the full year 2008, a
reduction of $0.03 per share from the $0.53 earnings per share we reported for 2008, because of the
rounding impact of these quarterly adjustments.
The other issue I want to highlight is something that we have talked about in the past and that is
the accounting impact for investment gains and losses on the assets held in our deferred
compensation plan. This can be very confusing and will present a challenge in analyzing gross and
operating income margin trends if this is not clearly understood.
At September 30, 2009 the market value of the assets held in this plan was approximately $25.9
million. You may remember that as the assets gain in value that this gain is recorded as additional
compensation expense. This additional compensation expense reduces the reported operating income
margin. Conversely, as assets decline in value, losses will serve to reduce compensation expense
and the impact is to increase the reported operating income margin. It is important to remember,
however, that there is an equal offset to either market gains or losses recorded in other income.
So there is no impact to the reported pre-tax income margin and we continue to focus on our pre-tax
margin as the best measure of our operating leverage.
The amounts of the gains or losses are outlined in the notes to our schedules in the earnings
release. But as we have progressed through 2009 the impact to our reported results has become
significant due to the fact that losses were experienced in 2008 and now in 2009 we have
experienced substantial gains. If you eliminate the impact of this item, the operating income
margin is 9.7% in 2009 and the operating income margin is 9.8% in 2008 for the first nine months.
For the third quarter, the operating income margin was 5.4% in 2009 compared with 6.1% in 2008, if
this line item is eliminated from both years.
Now, as Steve commented, seasonally the third quarter historically has been our most challenging
quarter. Revenue for the third quarter in 2009 grew to $179.0 million, which was 6.5% greater than
the third quarter a year ago. Acquisitions contributed $22.7 million to our revenue growth in the
third quarter, and we continue to be pleased with the performance of our Financial Services
businesses in New York and New England, which were acquired in the fourth quarter of 2008.
Same-unit revenue for the third quarter declined by 7.0%. For the nine months ended September 30,
2009, total revenue grew to $588.3 million, an increase of 8.8% over a year ago. Acquisitions net
of divestitures contributed $72.1 million to revenue growth. Same-unit revenue for the nine months
has declined by 4.6%.
Looking at our various segments, in Financial Services, same-unit revenue was down by 8.3% in the
third quarter and has declined by 5.0% for the nine months. As we had previously commented, the
third quarter in this segment is our most challenging and revenue in this segment has been impacted
by the challenging economic environment in 2009. But we are pleased that weve been able to achieve
a modest increase in rates even though demand for services has been soft. We operate about 25
different business units in this segment throughout the U.S., and as we commented earlier this
year, about half of the same-unit revenue reduction is focused in two markets where we have
experienced changes in leadership within the past year.
Now looking at our Employee Services segment, same-unit revenue declined by 8.0% in the third
quarter and has declined by 6.2% for the nine months. This group has been impacted by several
factors this year. In addition to general pressures of higher unemployment levels that impact
revenues related to group health and payroll processing services, there is softer demand for HR
outsourcing and recruiting services. We also provide retirement investment advisory services to a
number of clients, and revenue related to this service has been negatively impacted generally
related to lower equity values throughout 2009 compared to 2008. In addition, in connection with
our payroll services, on average we carry about $65 million of investable balances related to
processing client payrolls. In 2009, the investment yield on these balances is about 300 basis
points lower than that in 2008. So, doing the quick math there is a negative impact of $1.2 million
for the first nine months of 2009 compared to 2008. These three specific factors account for
slightly more than half of this decline in same-unit revenue in the Employee Services segment.
Our revenue in our Medical Management Professional segment is down 1.2% for the nine months. As we
have commented in the past, revenue for 2009 is expected to be relatively flat compared to 2008 in
this segment. In 2009, we have experienced some client attrition due to consolidation of physician
groups in the market, some clients have lost their hospital contracts and there are generally lower
hospital patient census counts that impact the hospital-based physician practices that we serve
through this segment. You can also, however, see the results in this segment do reflect our cost
management efforts as we have improved margins in spite of the relatively flat revenue.
Same-unit revenue in our National Practice segment, which is primarily comprised of technology
related services, is down 7.0% for the nine months. Were continuing to see clients defer
technology investments and purchases due to the uncertainty in the economic outlook.
In light of the challenging environment in 2009, our discretionary expenses are being managed very
carefully throughout the Company and we have taken major steps to right size our business with a
particular focus on Financial Services in order that we match the appropriate level of staffing to
client demand. As a result of these actions, we have recorded approximately $1.6 million of
severance-related costs in 2009, and this has impacted pre-tax income margin by 27 basis points
through the first nine months.
Interest expense in 2009 has increased from $8.0 million in 2008 to $10.2 million for the first
nine months of 2009, and this increased expense has impacted margin by 37 basis points for the
first nine months. The increased level of borrowing in 2009 is primarily driven by our acquisition
activity that occurred in the fourth quarter of 2008.
2
Days sales outstanding at September 30, 2009 were 70 days compared with 71 days a year-ago. Cash
flow and collections on receivables have remained strong through the third quarter, but we have
recorded a higher level of bad debt expense as a prudent measure to recognize isolated and specific
instances where additional reserves are necessary. As a result, we have recorded $6.3 million of
expense in 2009 or about 106 basis points of revenue compared with $4.2 million or about 77 basis
points during the first nine months of 2008. So the impact of this item on pre-tax margin is a
negative 29 basis points through the first nine months of 2009.
So with all that, the pre-tax income margin for nine months is 8.3% for 2009 compared with 8.4%, a
reduction of 10 basis points for the first nine months, and that includes the 93 basis points total
negative impact of the increased bad debt expense, severance expense and interest expense that I
just outlined.
You will note that our tax rate declined in the third quarter of 2009 and this reflects the release
of several tax reserves due to the expiration of statutory periods for review of these items. As a
result of these items, we are now projecting a full-year effective tax rate for 2009 of
approximately 39% to 39.25% and that compares with an effective full-year rate in 2008 of 38.1%.
As you look at the cash earnings per share schedule attached to the release, you will clearly see
the impact of increased non-cash depreciation and amortization expense and the other items
outlined. For the nine months of 2009, we have recorded $15.3 million of depreciation and
amortization expense compared with $11.3 million for the nine months ended September 30, 2008. The
increase being primarily driven by an increase in amortization of intangible assets related to our
acquisition activity. This item along with other non-cash items resulted in a cash EPS of $0.83 for
the first nine months of 2009 compared to $0.71 per share for the nine months a year-ago. This is
an increase of 16.9%.
Capital spending for the first nine months of 2009 was approximately $3.5 million and spending on
acquisition related activities has totaled approximately $16.9 million for the first nine months,
of which approximately $12.8 million occurred in the third quarter. In addition, we repurchased
890,000 shares of our common stock during the third quarter at a cost of approximately $6 million
and for the first nine months we have repurchased approximately 1.7 million shares at a total cost
of approximately $12.7 million. As a reminder, our priority for using capital continues to be in
making strategic acquisitions. Share purchase activity is secondary and will be opportunistic. We
commented earlier this year that share repurchase activity would likely be limited to repurchasing
a number of shares in order to offset the diluted impact of share grants and acquisitions and that
is the case today in 2009.
Outstanding debt on our unsecured bank credit facility was $115.7 million at September 30, 2009
compared with $125 million at the beginning of the year, or a reduction of approximately $9
million. As I just described, share repurchases and acquisition payments resulted in a total
non-operating use of funds of nearly $30 million for the nine months ended September 2009. So the
positive cash flow contribution from operations is about $39 million for the year-to-date before
considering these non-operating uses of funds. As a reminder, our unsecured bank credit facility
has total availability of $214 million with an accordion feature that will increase this to $250
million should the need arise. This facility expires in November of 2012.
EBITDA for the first nine months was $73.4 million, an increase of 14.1% over a year ago. Our
balance sheet remains strong. We continue to generate strong cash flow through 2009 and we have
good access to capital, which gives us flexibility to address strategic options, including
acquisitions. Same-unit revenue growth has been a challenge and we have taken a number of
appropriate measures to control expenses in order to protect earnings and margins.
In conclusion, we are happy that we are achieving growth in both revenue and in earnings for 2009
in what has been a very challenging year. As we enter the fourth quarter of 2009, again, bear in
mind, that as we restate 2008, that will result in a comparison with fully diluted earnings per
share of $0.50 for 2008 as we described earlier. With fully diluted earnings per share increasing
to $0.48 per share for the nine months of 2009, were about 6.7% ahead of a year-ago. We expect for
the full year we will record an increase in earnings per share of about $0.54 to $0.55, which will
be an increase of about 8% to 10% over the $0.50 per share in 2008.
So with those comments, Ill conclude, and I will turn it back over to Steve.
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
Thank you, Ware. Let me address a few other issues that I know youre interested in. It was
originally my thought that by this date we would have some degree of clarity coming out of
Washington as to what the new healthcare reforms were likely to be and be in a position to advise
you as to the possible impact on our businesses. Unfortunately that is not the case, and we are
still viewing dramatically different proposals in the Senate and the House with no clear conclusion
at this point as to what might be enacted and therefore what might impact us.
So at this point we are monitoring it carefully. We are of course looking for both, we are looking
for the opportunity in both our Group Health businesses and our MMP business, but at this point
there really isnt much to advise you because we do not have anything coming out of Washington that
we are comfortable will actually happen.
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As Ware mentioned before, the two large acquisitions we made, New York and New England, are both
performing very well and on plan, and were very satisfied and comfortable with that. Our
acquisition pipeline is as full today as it normally is and we have a good backlog of possible
transactions, although it is too early to call at this point those that may close in 2009 or those
that may go into 2010.
At this point I would like to stop and take the questions of our shareholders and analysts, and
then return with some concluding remarks.
QUESTION AND ANSWER
Operator
Thank you. Our first question comes from Josh Vogel from Sidoti. Please go ahead.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
Hey, good morning. Steve and Ware how are you?
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
Great, Josh.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
Thanks for taking my questions. The same-unit sales decline in the Financial Services Segment
of about 8%, little bit more than what I was looking for. But I was just curious, I am not sure if
youre parsing it out for us, but the two acquisitions you completed in late December, was
same-unit sales down in line with the overall business or are you seeing those outperform or
underperform?
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
I think that the two acquisitions we completed are pretty close to the plan that we thought.
As you put them together, I think one may be slightly ahead and one might be slightly behind, but
they are basically on plan.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
Okay. Now given the improving economic climate, and were seeing much more encouraging data of
late, and maybe you dont want to comment at this point in time, but if you could that will be
great. If you saw same-unit sales growth resuming in 2010, and if so would it be near historical
levels?
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
Its too early for us to call 2010, were just in the beginning of our budgeting for next
year, so we will be in a better position to call that on the next conference call. I dont think
its appropriate. However, Ill make the following comments. Typically our client base is a little
slower when they slowdown, but a little slower to climb out of it. While we are seeing some
encouraging gross macro data coming out it really hasnt hit our client base at this point. And
while I expect 2010 to show revenue growth and I expect 2010 will show even greater percentage
earnings growth above the revenue growth, its much, much too soon for us to call the economic
turnaround as it hit our clients.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
Okay. Now, Ware you were talking about Employee Services, I was curious how much revenue comes
from retirement advisory service?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
I want to say roughly 10%, slightly more than 10% of that segments revenue comes from
retirement advisory services.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
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Okay. And now while that business is down year-over-year, with asset values increasing
throughout the year, have you seen that business pick up in Q3 over Qs 1 and 2?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Well, a little bit, but remember theres a bit of a trailing impact here, so that as equity
values generally are lower this year compared to a year-ago, the comparisons are a little easier
but still not favorable yet.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
Okay. And Im sorry, I may have missed it, but did you discuss what the margins were less the
deferred comp plan?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Yes we did, and let me go over those again with you, and Id just talk about the operating and
income margins Josh.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
Okay.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
For the nine months, if you eliminate the deferred comp impact in 2009 for nine months, its
9.7%.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
Okay.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
And in 2008 its 9.8%.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
Okay.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Thats pretty consistent with the 10 basis point pre-tax decline for the nine months.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
Okay. And did you have third quarter?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
I do. For the third quarter, again eliminating the deferred comp impact, it would be 5.4% in
09 and 6.1% in 08.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
Okay. And you dont have the gross margin numbers?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
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No I didnt break it out by gross and by G&A.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
Okay, and just lastly and Ill jump back in the queue. Do you guys see yourselves paying down
any more debt between now and year end?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Yes. I would suspect, now it all depends on acquisition activity of course, but between $5
million and $10 million.
Josh Vogel Sidoti & Company Analyst
Okay, great. Thanks a lot.
Operator
Our next question comes from Bill Sutherland from Boenning & Scattergood. Please go ahead.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Thanks, good morning. Ware, while you got your notes out there on the EBIT adjusted for the
deferred comp, thats 5.4% in Q3 for EBIT in 09 this year versus 6.1% a year-ago.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
That is operating income
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Right.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Yes.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
But so its still down 70 bps?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Yes, a decline of 70 basis points.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
So, can you just help me understand the greater decline in Q3, is it related to the severance
and bad debt?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Yes. I think because Q3 is a little lighter seasonally in revenue, some of the things we
talked about have a proportionately higher impact.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
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Thats the main thing then.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Yes, it is. There was nothing unique in the third quarter. If we have $1.6 million of
severance year-to-date, I think about $350 million or $360 million of that occurred in the third
quarter.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Okay, so nothing
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
So that continued to have an impact in the third quarter.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
But nothing disproportionate that would have caused it to be offset much more other than the
fact that its a smaller base to work from?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
I think thats the primary thing. We just have a smaller base to work from.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Okay. I think also when you are doing the same-unit stats growth, on National Practices I
dont think you gave out the third quarter or maybe I just missed it?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Okay, I may have overlooked that. I think we were down, what did I say, 7% year-to-date?
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Right.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
I believe it was down roughly 15% for the third quarter.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Difficult comp or some kind of trend?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Well, I dont know that I have that information, I dont know that it is a trend. Bear in mind
that this is a relatively small segment and that a good half of the revenue comes from our
cost-plus relationship with Edward Jones, so thats pretty steady and that is increasing not
reducing. So the balance of it is the tech sales and advisory services through the non Edward Jones
clients and thats been very, very volatile this year.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
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In Q4, as you looked at your guidance when you put it out this morning, what assumptions are
you making for same-unit trends into Q4? I assume you are basing it on how things are entering the
quarter? In other words, do you think same-unit trends will be similar?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Yes, I think the third quarter has been better than an anomaly again, its seasonally
challenging for us in the third quarter. So we are looking for some modest improvement from the
third quarter numbers and something more in line with the nine-month numbers
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Okay.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
For the full year and for the fourth quarter.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Okay. Thats helpful.
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
And Bill let me give you just a little bit more color on the National Practices question. Keep
in mind that this a $40 million annual area, $20 million or about half of it, as Ware says, comes
from Edward Jones, which is on the cost-plus basis which is growing for us. So what we are really
looking at is a $20 million segment and we have made a strategic decision to keep those businesses
going albeit somewhat staffed in a lighter way because we believe we have business opportunities in
the future. But the fact is that in that business segment, they didnt do a whole lot in the third
quarter.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Okay. Ware, any additional severance expected in Q4?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Nothing significant, we are continuing to look at the businesses across the board, but nothing
significant.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Okay and then finally Steve, if you could just elaborate a bit on your comment, or your sense
of it, on your customer base, I guess primarily in financial and employment, lags into a downturn
and lags out, if you could kind of go into what your thinking is there, what are the
characteristics that you are kind of referring to?
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
I believe that the sentiment of our traditional client, which is a small to mid sized Company,
is a conservative posture now. We are not seeing them invest. We are not seeing them expand. We are
not seeing them aggressively go after new projects and new products. It is very much pulling the
horns and watch the cash. Im expecting that sentiment to continue into next year notwithstanding
whatever growth numbers we may read about in this mornings paper. Also keep in mind that many of
these businesses are owned by families and individuals. So were already seeing a significant
erosion in their personal net worths or in their retirement plans. I believe that has a
psychological impact on the decisions they make. So in general, I believe that our clients are not
getting worse, I believe they are stable, they are paying their bills, they have cut back their
services with us as they have with all of their service providers. And I expect some of that will
lapse into next year. Now its different by industry group, but in general thats my sense. And I
think thats what weve seen before is that they may be slower going in and a little bit slower
coming out.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Okay, do you think that would kind of make you more key to the unemployment trend which lags
too I guess?
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Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
I think the unemployment trend was clearly at lags. I think it may mirror that. We may be at a
point with unemployment where we have bottomed or pretty much bottomed. Again the upturn will be
slower than the crash and I am expecting that in our general businesses. Having said that there are
a number of exciting opportunities on the horizon that will make up for that. But in general, if
you are asking about the psyche of our traditional client, thats what I think it is.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
And let me sneak in one more and then Ill get off. Did you guys talk about the cross-selling?
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
We did not, but cross-serving year-to-date is approximately $15 million, which is pretty much
on par with where it was last year. We have a much higher target and we are working hard to hit
that target for the year. But I would say that cross-serving pretty much mirrors the revenue
activity that we have.
Bill Sutherland Boenning & Scattergood Analyst
Great. Thanks guys.
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
Okay, Bill.
Operator
(Operator Instructions). And our next question comes from Jim MacDonald from First Analysis.
Please go ahead.
Jim MacDonald First Analysis Analyst
Hey, good morning guys. Just quickly on the tax, Im calculating that by the fourth quarter we
are back to 40%, is that about right?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
I think for the full-year Jim, we are looking at something between 39% and 39.25% for the
full-year at this stage.
Jim MacDonald First Analysis Analyst
Okay. But youre not commenting now?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
No comments specifically on the fourth quarter, but I think that is pretty consistent with the
nine-month rate.
Jim MacDonald First Analysis Analyst
Okay.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
So that would infer a consistent rate in the fourth quarter.
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Jim MacDonald First Analysis Analyst
And cost savings programs, maybe if you could give a little more color about those and can you
talk about the impact of the cost savings programs in the fourth quarter and kind of going forward?
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
I think the cost savings program are specific to each business units we have made. We have
eliminated almost all of the clearly discretionary expense items. We have reduced headcount or
right sized our organizations based on the revenue we see in them, perform or expect them to have.
In our MMP business, we are actually redoing the process there, with a combination of some
offshoring and some technology improvements, which is one of the reasons why their margins are
improving. So each business unit has tightened down as best they can, but also keep in mind that as
a professional services Company weve got to be prepared for the first quarter of next year and the
second quarter of next year. So while we are cutting back our expenses everyplace we can, we are
not cutting out the critical people, with our clients going forward, and if that means degradation
in margin, we are prepared for that. So our headcount is down, each of the businesses is working on
process improvements and have basically cut out all what I would consider discretionary expenses.
Jim MacDonald First Analysis Analyst
And can you quantify that at all, like saving a couple of million a quarter?
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
Yes, I think we can but may be we need to get back to you. I dont want to go off the top of
my head, though I normally do. We probably could come up with some better numbers. It is
significant within the expense base but to give you an aggregate would be tough right now.
Jim MacDonald First Analysis Analyst
Okay, thanks very much.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Okay, Jim.
Operator
Our next question comes from Ted Hillenmeyer from Northstar Partners. Please go ahead.
Ted Hillenmeyer Northstar Partners Analyst
Hi, guys. I apologize if any of these are repeats, I had to jump out. Earnouts, whats the
dollar amount of likely earnouts to be paid in the future?
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
We have, assuming that all of our transactions earn their maximum potential. We have
approximately $25 million scheduled for next year 2010 and about $20 million in each of the next
following years 2011 and 2012.
Ted Hillenmeyer Northstar Partners Analyst
And then Steve, you mentioned, I know you have not given guidance for 2010 but you mentioned
just in general seeing growth, were you talking about overall or was that just same-store sales
growth?
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
No, I was referring to a same-store sales growth, were not commenting on acquisitions at this
point until they are done.
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Ted Hillenmeyer Northstar Partners Analyst
Okay. But its hopefully positive same-store sales as opposed to acquisitions that were done
in 2009, creating growth in 2010.
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
Yes. If thats your question. I expect 2010 to have same-store growth without any
consideration of acquisitions made in 2009 and Im expecting 2010 to have earnings growth or EPS
growth greater than the revenue growth and we need to quantify that when we finish the budget
process.
Ted Hillenmeyer Northstar Partners Analyst
Okay, and then the last one. I didnt catch if on your cash earnings, I thought you mentioned
maybe one-time items in there, not the non-cash items, but is the $51 million, $51.4 million a
legit number for nine months for 2009.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Im sorry, I dont think there are any one-time items in either year.
Ted Hillenmeyer Northstar Partners Analyst
It must have been something else. That was it then.
Ware Grove CBIZ, Inc. SVP, CFO
Okay, Ted.
Ted Hillenmeyer Northstar Partners Analyst
Thanks guys.
Operator
And at this time I show no questions.
Steven Gerard CBIZ, Inc. Chairman and CEO
Okay. Well, we appreciate the continued support we get from our analysts and shareholders. We
greatly appreciate the hard work of all of our employees who have gone through clearly the most
difficult year in their careers with us at CBIZ. Were pleased with our results year-to-date, and
we look forward to hitting our target numbers for the full year. And with that, Ill thank everyone
and well look forward to talking to you in January.
Operator
Thank you ladies and gentlemen. This concludes todays conference. Thank you for
participating, you may all disconnect.
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